Legislature(1999 - 2000)

03/24/1999 01:40 PM Senate HES

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                SB  94-MEDICAL USE OF MARIJUANA                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 576                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MILLER brought up SB 94, relating to the medical use of                                                                
marijuana initiative.  He stated that SB 94 is a very controversial                                                             
bill that raises emotions on both sides of the issue, but he                                                                    
believed a fair discussion could take place about policies and                                                                  
which direction the state should be heading.  He cautioned, "be                                                                 
forewarned, I will not tolerate anybody in the audience raising the                                                             
personal motives of anybody in the State Senate."  He would not                                                                 
tolerate anybody questioning the motives or attacking a senator                                                                 
personally. "We may attack their legislation, that's fair game, but                                                             
not them personally."  He warned that he would rule anybody out of                                                              
order who does that.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 99-14, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 588                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MILLER repeated that SB 94 would not move out today                                                                    
because of the number of people waiting to testify and the                                                                      
committee having to adjourn and vacate the room by 3:00.  He was                                                                
unsure when the next hearing on SB 94 would take place.  He set a                                                               
2-minute time limit on all speakers except the bill's sponsor,                                                                  
Senator Leman,  and former state Representative David Finkelstein,                                                              
representing Alaskans for Medical Rights, the sponsor of the                                                                    
initiative.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LOREN LEMAN, expressed appreciation for the committee's                                                                 
willingness to hear the bill. SB 94 addresses an issue that is                                                                  
timely and needs to be debated.  It proposes several amendments to                                                              
the medical marijuana initiative that was enacted last November.                                                                
The amendments are designed to close loopholes in the initiative                                                                
and ensure that it works as intended and as advertised. The bill                                                                
was drafted with input from Attorneys General in the Department of                                                              
Law, and the Department of Public Safety. A draft CS for the                                                                    
committee's consideration is from the Department of Health & Social                                                             
Services and youth counselors from around the state, and law                                                                    
enforcement personnel from Anchorage and other communities.  These                                                              
people told him they had trouble with the initiative as it is                                                                   
worded and it would cause them trouble enforcing the drug laws of                                                               
Alaska. The initiative can't be repealed but it can be amended to                                                               
work as intended.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN continued, his aim is to ensure that marijuana is                                                                 
legally available only for valid medical reasons as defined and                                                                 
intended in the initiative, and not for recreational use.  The                                                                  
people voted to recriminalize the recreational use of marijuana                                                                 
when Ballot Measure 2 was approved in 1990.  Sponsors of Ballot                                                                 
Measure 8 in the 1998 official election pamphlet described their                                                                
proposal as designed to help terminally ill patients and others                                                                 
suffering from debilitating medical conditions.  Marijuana would                                                                
still be illegal for non-medical use, and Ballot Measure 8 would                                                                
provide full protection against abuse of the new law.                                                                           
Unfortunately, SENATOR LEMAN said, close study of the initiative by                                                             
legal experts and those who work in law enforcement revealed there                                                              
is plenty or room for abuse of the new law.  "It is rife with legal                                                             
loopholes, ill-defined terms and vague language."  These are well                                                               
outlined in the bill's sectional analysis and he wouldn't discuss                                                               
them in detail today.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN said he believes the Legislature, as public                                                                       
officials, must respect and honor the views of voters.  In this                                                                 
case of marijuana policy, however, there are two ballot initiatives                                                             
to consider.  On one hand, the 1990 initiative affirmed that                                                                    
possession, use or distribution is a criminal act, punishable by                                                                
imprisonment of up to 90 days and fines up to $1,000.  These are                                                                
not trivial punishments and reveal how seriously the voters take                                                                
the problem of drug abuse, particularly among the youth. On the                                                                 
other hand, Ballot Measure 8 from last year proposed to allow                                                                   
unlimited marijuana use for valid medical purposes. Because the                                                                 
latter initiative does not repeal the earlier ballot measure, the                                                               
Legislature's job is to make both measures work together.  SB 94 is                                                             
designed to reconcile the provisions of both initiatives, which                                                                 
both represent the majority will of Alaskan voters.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN stated he believes the constitution's provision for                                                               
voter-initiated ballot measures is a great freedom, giving citizens                                                             
a direct voice in crafting laws under which we live.  However, the                                                              
crafters of Alaska's constitution recognized one potential                                                                      
shortcoming of ballot initiatives.  Unlike legislative measures,                                                                
voter initiatives are not subjected to scrutiny or the amendment                                                                
process before their final presentation to the voters. Accordingly,                                                             
the crafters included in the constitution a provision allowing the                                                              
Legislature to make needed amendments to approved ballot                                                                        
initiatives.  This authority is found in Article XI, Section 6.                                                                 
The Legislature has exercised this authority in the past, and in                                                                
response to legal challenges the Alaska Supreme Court has upheld                                                                
the Legislature's authority to do so. SENATOR LEMAN cited 1975                                                                  
Warren v. Boucher in which the Alaska Supreme Court described why                                                               
the constitution grants this power to the Legislature. He said,                                                                 
clearly, the Legislature has the authority, acting on behalf of the                                                             
people, to pass amendments but not to repeal the initiative.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The constitution which grants the Legislature the authority to                                                                  
amend initiatives was ratified by the people.  The voter approval                                                               
of Ballot Measure 2 in 1990 is no less valuable a measure of public                                                             
opinion than the passage of Ballot 8 in 1998.  He hoped these facts                                                             
would put to rest "venomous rhetoric about defying the will of the                                                              
people," stating the greatest service the Legislature can provide                                                               
the public is to have an intelligent, informed and civil debate on                                                              
the merits of the legislation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The key elements of SB 94 clarify the standards the physician would                                                             
use and that registration would be required.  Law enforcement could                                                             
access the information for purposes of an investigation, but it                                                                 
would not be a public document.  It further restricts the use and                                                               
display of medical marijuana  to the doctor's office or the home of                                                             
the patient or primary care giver.  It defines primary care giver                                                               
as someone over 21 who hasn't been convicted of a felony under                                                                  
Alaska's controlled substance laws. The law enforcement people will                                                             
discuss why these elements of the bill are important to them in                                                                 
enforcing the drug laws of Alaska.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LEMAN concluded that his intent in introducing this bill is                                                             
to lay a very important topic on the table. He has met with David                                                               
Finkelstein and staff in the Department of Law, Department of                                                                   
Public Safety, Department of Health & Social Services, the lobbyist                                                             
opposing this effort, and the Governor's Office. He said he intends                                                             
to work cooperatively to accomplish legislative objectives that                                                                 
allow enforcement of the drug laws of Alaska.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 437                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVID FINKELSTEIN, representing Alaskans for Medical Rights,                                                                
encouraged people who can't testify today to leave a short                                                                      
statement at the LIOs to give to the committee.  He asserted the                                                                
provisions of SB 94 are overwhelming, and a complete re-write of                                                                
the initiative. He said it took him over five hours to read and                                                                 
understand the bill, cross-referencing it with the existing law.                                                                
There are over 40 major amendments to the existing law, which can                                                               
be counted in the sponsor's sectional analysis, not including                                                                   
additional technical and conforming amendments.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
As he could not address these 40 amendments in the time available,                                                              
MR. FINKELSTEIN talked about the two categories they fall into.                                                                 
First,  minor amendments based on misinterpretations of the law or                                                              
based on interpretation questions, or correcting citations. He                                                                  
stated any of these changes that are necessary can be accomplished                                                              
either through the current regulation process, with the comment                                                                 
period open through Friday, March 26; or in the Revisor's Bill.  He                                                             
said some of the amendments just aren't necessary.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The second category are provisions that would eliminate otherwise                                                               
qualified patients from the initiative.  For example, no patients                                                               
would be covered except those with cancer, glaucoma or AIDS, and                                                                
then only where it causes them "severe and chronic pain and                                                                     
nausea." It doesn't say "severe or chronic..."  It is his                                                                       
experience with about one hundred patients who use medical                                                                      
marijuana that most of them would be excluded by just this                                                                      
provision alone.  Another provision requires doctors to make a                                                                  
finding that there are no other legal treatments that can be                                                                    
tolerated by the patient that are as effective.  There will always                                                              
be other drugs that are effective, but many of those are dangerous                                                              
or have side effects and, he said, no doctor would be willing to                                                                
make an analytic finding like this when they can prescribe other                                                                
narcotics and drugs with no findings whatsoever.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
"The sponsor's apparent fear is that many doctors will get carried                                                              
away recommending medical marijuana."  In his view it is not very                                                               
likely.  Only licensed doctors can make the recommendation.  Under                                                              
existing statute AS 08.64.101 doctors can be investigated, and if                                                               
necessary, even lose their license.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SB 94 eliminates the protection patients receive under the                                                                      
initiative and replaces it with an affirmative defense.  This                                                                   
places the burden of proof with the patient to prove their case.                                                                
Even a patient with ID card, complying with the law and possessing                                                              
less than an ounce would still have to demonstrate that the entire                                                              
amount in their possession was intended for their own medical use.                                                              
He asked how a patient can prove that.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
In conclusion, MR. FINKELSTEIN stated that SB 94 is not necessary                                                               
and if passed, will eliminate hope for all the patients who would                                                               
be helped under the initiative.  He offered to work with the                                                                    
sponsor during the interim to see which concerns were addressed                                                                 
through the regulation process, check whether the registration is                                                               
working as intended, and address any problems that may have arisen                                                              
under the law. He asked, on behalf of Alaskans for Medical Rights,                                                              
to be given a chance to let this initiative work.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 375                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MILLER stated Mr. Finkelstein's reputation in Juneau has                                                               
always been one for "open government and full disclosure."  He                                                                  
mentioned the talk about the expensive ad campaign floating around                                                              
the state. While acknowledging Mr. Finkelstein not legally required                                                             
to disclose the source of the the funds to his group, CHAIRMAN                                                                  
MILLER asked in the spirit of open government where those funds                                                                 
came from.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. FINKELSTEIN replied that he respects and considers Senator                                                                  
Leman a worthy adversary, but Alaskans for Medical Rights which                                                                 
represents the majority of Alaskans wasn't included in any of the                                                               
deliberations on how this bill was developed.  He stated the cost                                                               
of the ad campaign was probably $4,000 to $5,000 and it came                                                                    
entirely from individuals in and outside Alaska, with no government                                                             
or PAC money involved.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN echoed Chairman Miller's request.  He didn't know                                                                
how he stands on SB 94, but he opposed groups that try to influence                                                             
public opinion through the media. He would like to know all donors                                                              
of over $100, and asked that the information be sent to the                                                                     
committee in the interest of full disclosure.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MILLER again promised that SB 94 would not move from                                                                   
committee until everyone wanting to testify had the opportunity to                                                              
do so. He apologized to those who will not have that chance today.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 331                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
LT. AUDIE HOLLOWAY, Narcotics Enforcement Division, Anchorage                                                                   
Police Department, spoke in support of SB 94 which gives some clear                                                             
guidelines for the police department in dealing with those people                                                               
who want to take advantage of the initiative. He said, "I can                                                                   
assure you that we will have a lot of people who will try to take                                                               
advantage of it."  He has a limited number of people working on  a                                                              
lot of drug cases.  A standardized registration and format for                                                                  
those people who are using medical marijuana and deserving of it                                                                
would help in cutting down the workload of the department.  He                                                                  
doesn't have time to investigate people with legitimate use for the                                                             
plant.  Rigorous standards should be in place.  A lot of people in                                                              
Alaska make a lot of money off the illegal use of marijuana, and he                                                             
suspects money is coming from "that area to keep it as vague as                                                                 
possible."  He reads  police reports everyday about people who are                                                              
driving and using marijuana. There needs to be a standard                                                                       
addressing that, to prevent hiding behind medical use and driving                                                               
because it's as bad as alcohol in that regard.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARD WELCH stated he is a long-time resident of Fairbanks                                                                
and has HIV and Hepatitis C and chronic pain.  This bill would                                                                  
severely limit what his doctor can tell him he can have.  He's also                                                             
a member of the Interior HIV Care Consortium, a group that performs                                                             
needs assessments and quality assurance tasks regarding HIV care.                                                               
The consortium is sponsored by the Interior Aids Association whose                                                              
executive director could not stay, but wanted Mr. Welch to convey                                                               
that they object to any effort to change the peoples' initiative                                                                
about medical marijuana.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 276                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CAPT. BILL MILLER, Headquarters, Anchorage Police Department,                                                                   
stated headquarters deals with major crimes including homicides,                                                                
sexual assaults and narcotics.  His officers must have the ability                                                              
to distinguish between what is legal and what is not.  Officers                                                                 
need definitions and clear understanding.  This bill would clear up                                                             
confusion, and prevent wasting time and resources. It defines who                                                               
can prescribe the medical marijuana and who decides who can                                                                     
prescribe it.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.JAY SNODDERLY, Ward Cove, stated he is opposed to anything that                                                              
would restrict the wishes of the people as expressed last November.                                                             
He admitted he does not understand the bill, so he doesn't know if                                                              
it would do that, but he's heard it both ways.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MILLER stated he would hold SB 94 and take further                                                                     
testimony the next time it is brought up, and again apologized for                                                              
the time constraints.  The committee will take up bills previously                                                              
heard,  the education bills and the proposed CS for SB 73, next                                                                 
Monday, March 29.  He thanked the members for their hard work in                                                                
his absence, and adjourned at 3:01 p.m.                                                                                         

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